General Questions / Problem Reports

[topshelf]

A suggestion to the Moderators


I like to help out where I can, but since the ID requests are so vague,it means clicking on every request to see whats what.

Perhaps requests could include in the title......80's hardcore blonde...or,

....recent redhead pl**boy.

You know what I mean.

Better still, Is it possible to show the photo when your cursor hovers over the post? This would make things really simple, or am I just dreaming?

[hos]

topshelf,
I've moved your post. Please use this thread for suggestions etc., new threads in this section are only for model id requests.

Your suggestion is no suggestion for me, hopefully. I don't have the time to specify each vague request title, not to mention that a member may will have problems to find his own thread if i change his chosen title. This is something a member has to take in account if he starts a thread here, but still it's up to the member if he wants to be more specific.

I agree that it would be helpful, not just for the visitors of this section, also for the requesting member cause he would gain attention by those members who are familiar with his specific request. "focus" is the magic word here.

Better still, Is it possible to show the photo when your cursor hovers over the post? This would make things really simple, or am I just dreaming?

technically possible but not simple. also not good for the performance. so guess you're just dreaming.

do it like me - go to the thread where you want to start, f.e. 2 days back. and then use "next thread" navigation at the bottom of each thread until you run into the "There are no threads newer than the previous one." message.

or click each thread you're interested in by holding the "CTRL"-key, they will open in a separate tab this way.

both methods are a bit faster than jumping back and forth with the forum display/thread display

[beutelwolf]

Originally Posted by hos

why didn't you add your complete knowledge to your request so others don't have to waste their time trying to help you finding "a little bit information"?

I have a lot of sympathy for that strategy, i.e. making an id request but withholding some information when doing it. The reason is that many people are not happy that the fact that girl X appeared once in a pictorial under the name of Abigail in the mag Palymilf constitutes an identification. Instead, they are looking for confirmation from a separate source that the name Abigail was not a one-off, or a contradiction - as the case may be.

In that situation, giving all you know away upfront is not helpful. It is a bit like when you use the ask-the-audience lifeline in Who wants to be a millionaire. If you have an inkling keep it to yourself not to prejudice the audience response.

If you are unlucky, the audience response is that X appeared under the name of Abigail in Playmilf - because then you are not only none the wiser, but the remaining audience is now prejudiced.

[hos]

Originally Posted by beutelwolf

I have a lot of sympathy for that strategy, i.e. making an id request but withholding some information when doing it. The reason is that many people are not happy that the fact that girl X appeared once in a pictorial under the name of Abigail in the mag Palymilf constitutes an identification. Instead, they are looking for confirmation from a separate source that the name Abigail was not a one-off, or a contradiction - as the case may be.

In that situation, giving all you know away upfront is not helpful. It is a bit like when you use the ask-the-audience lifeline in Who wants to be a millionaire. If you have an inkling keep it to yourself not to prejudice the audience response.

If you are unlucky, the audience response is that X appeared under the name of Abigail in Playmilf - because then you are not only none the wiser, but the remaining audience is now prejudiced.

sorry, beutelwolf, but your logic is just wrong. if you have a first name or a "name you haven't seen elsewhere but are sure there must be a different one" you can allways use such names when you start a request.

we have dozens of requests asking for "who is xxxxx from yyyyy ?" and i have really no problem with such requests - unless this name is already connected to a model thread in our forum. beside, each info given with the request can help to solve it quicker cause people don't have to search those parts which are already known - they can use known information to find more on top of that.

but if nothing(!) is known any given name with a clear reference is able to get the ID credits.

i don't want to have tons of threads in this section with first-name-only models who are in fact identified just because a well known full name doesn't exist.

[omikron]

I also support Hos' logic. I usually spend a lot of my time trying to help Identifying unknown stars for my fellow members and It would really bother me if after 30 minutes of searching and finally getting a name and a source, the OP, who didn´t give any hint at all replies "I already knew that link you posted and therefore I already knew her name was Grace, but I didn´t feel like mentioning it because there isn´t a surname and plain "Grace" is just so random. It doesn´t help me. Sorry".

Considering Kissfan gave a name, and If someone shows a clear reference like this one, which matches the picture with the name, the thread could be considered as solved.
http://anonym.to/?http://www.porngat...fuckers/grace/

Therefore, as Hos explains, the post should have started as "Who is Grace from Jugfuckers?" instead.

[beutelwolf]

Originally Posted by omikron

I also support Hos' logic. I usually spend a lot of my time trying to help Identifying unknown stars for my fellow members and It would really bother me if after 30 minutes of searching and finally getting a name and a source, the OP...

I can concur with this in situations like this, i.e. stuff where such a references can be found with a little bit of net search, or where the girl had a pictorial in one of the big and widely published mags. Often these are also cases that do not really belong to VEF because they are modern.

I'm usually concerned with girls of proper vintage, of the 1960s to the 1980s. And the sources where I sometimes have some info are (i) thoroughly obscure and (ii) have a track record of making most of their information up. Because of (i) the risk someone uncovers the very same source is pretty slim, and because of (ii) I don't want to put this (highly unreliable) information out there, because the net has the tendency to replicate information and turn vague rumours into facts. If they turn out to be wrong they are difficult to correct, because the elsewhere replicated wrong information refuses to die - I have seen this numerous times at the IMDb.

If a girl is named (say) Claudia in a pictorial of Sexy that means zilch. I reckon just about one in 4 of their mags has a pictorial with a girl named Claudia, they have 52 issues a year, and the mag has been running for 40 years. Makes round about 500 Claudias-at-Sexy. That a net search would uncover anything about such models is extremely unlikely. You either recognise the girl anyway, or (if you have a lot of spare time) you search through your collection of old mags.

[hos]

I've moved a discussion started with this post from a request thread to this place.

If a girl is named (say) Claudia in a pictorial of Sexy that means zilch.

correct, but it's also just one example out of dozens how ID's are created and used. this section needs a clear line when a request can be certified as "solved", a line which works for all examples.

this line is: give me a name (and a publisher if it's just a first name) and a reference to proof the ID. and at it's best also the volume, if it's a just a first name in a magazine.

if you think you know a better way, go on and let us know which line would fit and also would prevent this section of having tons of unsolved models in the cellars which just appeared as one-timer with a first name in a dirty mag. a name we allready figured out.

btw, i've never used firstname @publisher if the publisher is just a cheap weekly mag or daily page3 girls in random newspapers. but i use it for monthly (quality) mags like Men Only, Mayfair, PBoy, Penthouse, ....

Often these are also cases that do not really belong to VEF because they are modern.

they belong because VEF isn't VOF (vintage only forum).

[beutelwolf]

Originally Posted by hos

correct, but it's also just one example out of dozens how ID's are created and used. this section needs a clear line when a request can be certified as "solved", a line which works for all examples.

What about more than one line? Instead of just thinking when to move threads out of this category, perhaps have more than one place to move them to, depending on what we know about them.

If a full name has been established it could move as before to one of our existing categories.

Then we could have a Rumsfeld-KU category for the known unknowns, the likes of XNK1600 from egafd. These would be ones for whom we do not have a confirmed name, or only magazine one-offs, but the lack of a name is the only thing that makes them short of being well-known. I would suggest to restrict this category for non-one-timers only, i.e. we found them in several mags and/or films. Priscilla@TheEconomist-style of identifications do not move people out of Rumsfeld-KU unless the used name is demonstrated not to be a one-off.

Further we could have Rumsfeld-UK for the unknown knowns. Girls with a single-source first name would go here. Further finds of first names could move them up to Rumsfeld-KU, if the name was not confirmed (but the additional find makes them a non-one-timer), or out altogether if it was.

Currently, the mystery box is a little bit like Rumsfeld-KU, but it does not quite serve the same purpose.

[hos]

and in the end, there has to be someone who takes care of it, organizes it and so on.

do you like to do that?

i don't. section offers already enough of work and to be honest, for a model id request section the organization is top notch, you won't find a better one, even if it's still possible to make things better. but impossible for one guy

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